dai sau

[Precious Roy]

:oops: I'm sorry everyone, but I still have NO idea what exactly "dai sau" is. Is there a site or a book where I can actually see what it is? Thanks.

[Precious Roy]

:? Does it look like a Bong Sau position?

OK, the wrist is on the center, but where in relation to height and depth. In other words:

1) Which level is the hand at - stomach, chest, throat, eyes, etc.?
2) Is it close to the body or is it held away from the body?

Thanks Ng! :)

[Bollix]

Originally Posted by Ng

From wing chun guarding position,

dai sau is raising the leading hand so the tip of ur fingers in on the center. and ur arm will receive the hook punch.

actually that's not quite right. It's got nothing to do with the leading hand, either hand can do it.

[Bollix]

Originally Posted by Ng

it doesnt matter which hand to use, it was much easier to say the leading hand cos thats the optimum angle, and raising it up will up u dai sau.

obviously, from the guarding position, u cannot dai sau with the wu sau cos they angle would be lost. but really it doesnt matter.

I find I can perform a dai sau with the rear guarding hand quite nicely, I can't feel any angle being lost. The only difference is the rear hand has a little further to ravel due to it being slightly lower than the front hand.

[Precious Roy]

Guys, guys...Don't mean to interupt here, but I still have no idea what dai sau looks like. :wink:

[Precious Roy]

That's awesome! :lol:

So, am I right to say that it is like biu sau (biu gee)? It looks very similar to it.

[hbw]

I was listening to a si-hing teaching a grade 1 how to do dai sau. The guy throwing the punch was doing abnormally round strikes because he was to quote the si-hing "too aware of the hand" that is he knew a dai sau would be used and was trying to get around it by stepping in and circling around his dai sau. I think it illustrated to me how important it was to give a correct feed to learn a technique and not try to modify what you are doing in order to defeat the other guys defense. Of course it should not matter if you are using correct technique, mirroring correctly and attacking with the punch but such things do slow your learning.

[Anonymous]

There are a range of hook punches, sometimes wide, sometimes a bit tighter.

so, should the way we do dai sau change according to what is dished out to us?
What i mean, if wide hook punch do a normal dai sau, but tight hook punch bring the dai sau closer to center.

what do you think?

[hbw]

To IRA or other instructors, what would you recommend to defend a really close range type hook punch? I feel vulnerable to punches coming around my dai sau when delivered from close range. Is it because I have allowed the other guy to get too close and to apply dai sau is now not a good option? Should I be looking to another technique? (I have seen some seniors do a fook or tan sau with a pivot). To my thinking (and I have only recently started WC) dai sau intercepts the opponent's punch very close to the centre line, wrist on wrist, so it is really defending straighter type punches that come at you fairly close to the centre line, but is may be not ideal for a more circular type strike coming in from very close range (that's what I think of as a hook punch??). Your advice appreciated.

[hbw]

Thanks for your advice IRA, Xtreme, TJF. It is easy to forget that the attack is the defense and the deflection is secondary. Likewise that the situations that come up in sparring are not always realistic. I still find it mind boggling how aggressive wing chun is sometimes and need to keep reminding myself (or be reminded by others) that in a real self defense situation I may have to be extraordinarily violent to stop someone.
I find these forums very useful (as long as you know who to ignore) - it is great to be able to access good advice from instructors.